CHRIS NEUMER: Well, you were watching TV, and started thinking about how your father reminded you of Peter Falk —
PAUL REISER: That’s in the questions.
CHRIS NEUMER: Well, let's be honest, that’s everywhere.
PAUL REISER: I know.
CHRIS NEUMER: I thought to myself, if I don’t get that one out of him, I’ll be happy and I’ll feel like I did my job correctly. And then I thought to myself, we’re not going to talk about how you’re cheating on Jamie Buchman, yet again with another woman.
PAUL REISER: She kind of reminds one of Helen. There’s something very similar about Elizabeth Perkins.
CHRIS NEUMER: Wow, this is why you keep cheating on the women, with these similar women.
PAUL REISER: I didn’t know that, and in both cases I was surprised. When I had in mind somebody, the actresses, the look I had in mind for Jamie Buchman was totally different than Helen. But who don’t choose who you love, love chooses you, as they say in country western songs. And Helen walked in, and you know, it feels correct. Though I never pictured anybody like her looking like her, but that’s who it is, and I don’t know if I had anyone in mind for _. But I was really lucky because Elizabeth Perkins called and said she had read the script and would love to be considered, and I was like, "Yeah! Ok!" How do you write that accent? [Repeats himself] Yeah!
CHRIS NEUMER: Oh that’s a tough one.
PAUL REISER: I said thank you, yes. That is what I said. We made this movie for $17, and nobody got anything. So it never dawned on me that we would get real people. But she’s great, and there wasn’t all that much for her to do, but every time she’s onscreen she’s great. And Olympia Dukakis, she totally grounds that movie, even before she gets there.
CHRIS NEUMER: This is true.
PAUL REISER: This is true.
CHRIS NEUMER: You know, one thing about the overall genre, I was thinking, it didn’t dawn on me until later that this is kind of a road trip movie, which I think is sort of a good thing. It’s not like I’m watching Breckin Meyer in something and being like, "Oh no, he’s going to buy a car," or something like that. When you were writing this, was there any conscious effort on your part to avoid the trappings of a road trip movie? You know, no befriending strippers, no casting Sean William Scott, anything like that?
PAUL REISER: I don’t know; which movies are you referring to?
CHRIS NEUMER: Well, we can start with Road Trip. You can take any of the Farrelly Brothers movies.
PAUL REISER: It’s funny, because I wouldn’t call it a road trip movie, and yet I clumsily did to people before I wrote it, because I always knew, the bare bones was there, I knew dad would show up on my door, and he would say "Hey, I don’t know where ma is, ma left me," and we would somehow get in the car. Originally I actually thought that we were going to get in the car and look for mom. Then I thought, that’s nuts, you don’t do that, and you certainly don’t drive at a leisurely pace. You call the FBI, the police. So, I always knew there would be a car, and I knew that somewhere in there would be a baseball game, and a pool hall, somewhere there’s going to be some drinking. I don’t know a lot of road movies. I did think of Rain Man a lot, and I love that movie. I guess it’s certainly a road movie, but again you weren’t watching the road part, you were watching the relationship.
CHRIS NEUMER: Well, I think that’s what differentiates a good movie from a movie that is considered a road trip.
PAUL REISER: Ok, all right, good then. I remember pitching it before I wrote it, I pitched it to a big producer, and I said, "There’s this father and son, and they go on a road trip," and he said, "All right, can I stop you here and tell you what I think?" And I said, "Well, I guess, yeah." As opposed to letting me finish, even though obviously I know you’re saying no, let me go on anyway. He said, "I don’t like road movies." I said, "Ok, thanks." So it’s not a road picture, but it certainly does what a road picture does.
CHRIS NEUMER: Sort of like Broken Flowers, same type of thing. Bill Murray, he’s on a quest, but the quest becomes something, it just so happens he’s on the road while he’s suffering through his quest.
PAUL REISER: Right, and this question, looking for mom, it always sort of struck me, like I remember Twins, which I always thought was such a funny premise, just so great. I’ve never seen something pitched so quickly. Schwarzenegger, DeVito, twins, people are laughing at just that. Everything was really funny, until they went on the road looking for mom. I was really losing the movie there, not that I didn’t think it was great; I’m just using it as an example. But wherever mom was, whether she’s in some health spa in Phoenix, or a retirement home, I don’t want to find mom. No place that she could’ve chosen to go is going to be interesting.
CHRIS NEUMER: Or live up to the hype.
PAUL REISER: Yeah. Diner was the first movie I ever did, and I remember Barry Levinson talking about why he made that choice not to show the wife, the bride at the end of the movie. There’s been so much talking about it, you’re expecting some joke, that you’re expecting she’s ugly, she’s fat, she’s beautiful, whatever. Whatever it is, it’s just going to be too odd, and you’re perfectly right, it was symbolic, the white gown and the veil. Once I finally popped that problem, it was like, ok, mom didn’t go to the place, that’s not the thing, its why did she go, and why she did what she did, and that was of interest.
CHRIS NEUMER: So it wasn’t a conscious effort on your part to even make it a road movie, it’s just what happened.
PAUL REISER: In the derogatory sense, if there’s negative value to the word "road movie", I wasn’t trying to do that, nor was I trying to avoid it. But I did know that it was going to involve the two of them in a car for a prolonged amount of time. If for no other reason, I wanted them to have these experiences and you don’t have them if you stay home. You’re not going to sit down and have an eight-hour talk or a 72-hour talk with your dad.
CHRIS NEUMER: And fishing on a Playstation just isn’t the same thing.
PAUL REISER: Right. This woman told me, women like to bond face to face and men need to be shoulder to shoulder. They like to shoot together, or drive together, go bowling together, and to a degree I thought that it was really interesting, and a really good point, that eye contact is going to be oft-putting, especially if it’s father and son and there’s heavy shit in the air. But if you’re driving, you have plenty of time, there’s no rush. And even when there’s a lull in conversation, it doesn’t feel like a lull, because you’re taking in the scenery, or you’re stopping for a pee, or stopping for a bite. There wasn’t enough eating in this movie. I thought there would be a lot more restaurants, more ordering. I was surprised when I watched it that there wasn’t more.
CHRIS NEUMER: It’s interesting that when you talk to people, you hear, "Oh, I wish I’d had the money to shoot this", or "I wish we could’ve brought this giant spider in. But for you, you look at it, and you’re like, "I’d like more eating."
PAUL REISER: It wasn’t really eating, it was ordering. I love to see people order. And we did have one scene that was cut. We stole a piece of it for the montage, but it was just after they wake up in the country, and he was eating cantaloupe.
CHRIS NEUMER: Oh yeah, you had like a half a circle spoon, or something like that?
PAUL REISER: Yeah, it was in slow motion, we spread it out. But that was a longer, deathly silent scene, it was beautiful. The whole thing was just miserable, waking up in the country alone. You know, we wake up in the country before he rides in the car, and he’s just being buggy, taking the pits out of the cantaloupe one by one, and looking at them like, "Fuck this, this is going to be a long day."
CHRIS NEUMER: We all have those moments.
PAUL REISER: And it was just him looking at me, but it was an unnecessary scene, and it was dull. But the idea of him trying to get what he likes from the waitress, now, a Jack Nicholson toast —
CHRIS NEUMER: So, it seems like when you wanted to get Peter Falk to do a certain something or other, having him ordering, it seems almost like a — and here’s a pop culture figure — like I don’t want to say make him our monkey, but maybe there’s something we’d really like him to do.
PAUL REISER: There’s almost nothing I wouldn’t like Peter Falk to do. There was a scene we shot when they go in to buy the allergy medicine, and there was a kid who was just extra zippy cheerful, "Paper or plastic today?" Peter Falk — "Whatever, it doesn’t matter." I can’t remember how we did it, but he just kept pushing it on him, and he was like, "Whatever." And the guy just kept wanting an answer. "What’s the difference?" "Plastic." "Well, all right, paper." Just the image of Peter being annoyed by such a mundane thing, but it had no business with anything, I just wanted to hear Peter say, "You know it makes no difference, just make it plastic, all right, make it paper." There’s very little that Peter Falk can do that is not entertaining. He eats entertainingly, he has mood swings that are entertaining, and he’s silent entertaining. Somebody asked me at the screening, well what is it about Peter that made you want to have him do this? I’m so tired of trying to find new ways to say it, there’s just a frequency I get, I like him. But everybody likes Peter. And someone said, oh, he’s a scene stealer, and Peter seemed surprised at that. And I said, well even when you’re not talking, they’re always watching you. That’s true. He’s magnetic and he’s always real. You’re never going to see him not know what to do, or acting bad. He’s just got grounded, real, beautiful acting chops. Go on, try to think of something he could do that would not be funny.
CHRIS NEUMER: Oh no, I concur completely. Seth Green does a voice on the Family Guy, he’s the son, and there’s this scene where Adam Carolla had him just reading names out of the phone book with that voice and it was hysterical, just because it is. So I agree with you, that it seems perfectly apt in that perspective. Was there any sense that you wanted to try to bring something to your character, something so the audience would know that this isn’t Paul Buchman, the sequel?
PAUL REISER: No, because it’s not a sequel, but in many ways I’d say this character isn’t that different from Paul Buchman. He’s devoted to his wife; he’s devoted to his family.
CHRIS NEUMER: I’m not saying that the characters were, I’m just saying was there any conscious effort of "I don’t want people to go into this thinking it’s a two-hour Mad about You?
PAUL REISER: No, I didn’t think that. I didn’t go out of my way to make my character interesting for the sake of interesting. I knew it was going to be different because it wasn’t my story, it was about Peter Falk. The truth is, Paul was the funny guy, and it was so nice to play serious. The truth is some of my favorite stuff of Mad about You was when we took those surprises: when we had trouble going to bed when she lost the baby, when we were flirting with other people. The painful, the dark side of it is equally as interesting to me.
CHRIS NEUMER: If only George Lucas had figured that out in Episode 1, it would’ve been good. Now you had a quote that you said somewhere that "I’m not smart enough to invent things for film, I only do things that happen to me."
PAUL REISER: Right.
CHRIS NEUMER: And I thought to myself, maybe this is just your persona, but you seem like a pretty literate, on-the-ball guy, knowledgeable guy, able to come up with a quick quip. Is there any sense that you won’t try to do something only because you think you can’t in the future?
PAUL REISER: No, not really. Sometimes something interests me, and I think, wow, I’d really like to learn how to do that, and I’ll push myself through it, even if I’m scared. But I won’t chase it.
CHRIS NEUMER: Any examples?
PAUL REISER: Yeah. I’m working on a show that I’ve wanted to do for a long time, I’m co-writing it with a friend of mine. There’s a very different type of structure, trying to turn it into a half-hour comedy, it’s a one-camera film, but it’s a very different structure and I’ve never seen done before. I know it can be done. It’s just multi-character, multi-plots to make it funny. And it’s about how random people affect each other without knowing each other, and that actions have consequences. That something you do might affect someone who’s never met you, like you said this, and you miss the light, so the guy behind you misses the light, which causes the guy behind you to be late for his thing. And to me what’s fun about this is the randomness, you’re never quite sure where to look, it’s like a shell game. Like, oh, do I look over here? Nope, we’re actually following this guy.
CHRIS NEUMER: That’s where I get angry at everybody.
PAUL REISER: And in that case, networking is involved. Well, we need to know who to follow. I’m trying to thread that needle, keeping a lot of characters spinning, and a bit of suspense, but at the same time, not make them dizzy. Give them what they want, a little bit at a time, so they keep coming back every week. So it’s a challenge, and I don’t know quite how to do it, but I’m going to figure it out. Here’s an example, so there’s the need that I want to do it, and then I’ll figure out how to do it. But to challenge myself to do something just because I’ve never done it, that doesn’t feel right. No, I didn’t think people would think it was like Mad about You but I think a lot of people associate that with me, there’s certainly a consistency to my stuff. And I think it actually was all leading to this movie, and this in fact pre-dates Mad about You by a decade.
CHRIS NEUMER: When was this actually shot?
PAUL REISER: This was shot two years ago, fall of 2003, so almost two years ago. But it pre-dates — in its inception; I had that idea in maybe ’84. I don’t know how seriously I tried; I think I moved like 20 or 30 pages once, picked it up every year or two, to try to take another whack at it. But there’s a line in the movie where Peter says, "Why is it so important to you what happened with your mother and me?" And I said, "What are you kidding me? That’s my life, that’s the big YO. And he says, "Your wife should thank me, because if I didn’t set such a bad example you wouldn’t be knocking yourself out for your wife." And in many ways I think that’s true, and that’s why on Mad about You, I was always kind of intrigued about my parent’s relationship, interested in seeing that, and knowing that they used to be 20-year-olds, and 30-year-olds. Where does that go, were you really like this 50 years ago? Did you become this because of each other, what goes on? So I think that’s what made me focus on relationships, and made me whoever I am as a guy, a husband, and a father. Whoever I am, it has made me that. And here, I’m just going right to the source, I’m going to just jump into it, really look at mom and dad. So as much as it’s a father son movie, Peter and I are in 90 percent of the film, I don’t think that’s what it is. It’s really the son trying to push the parents together.
CHRIS NEUMER: I had the opportunity, I saw this with my brother, and afterwards we were laughing about it, thinking of our own parents, they’re still together, both 65, actually 66 now, and my dad was a math teacher, and sort of fits with the bigger guy, the math teacher, and sort of on that scale I think, he used to take a train to the University of Chicago for math lectures, and his opening line with my mom was to tell her he was in the CIA. And he didn’t refute this until about three months after he had met her parents. So for about seven months of their relationship, my mom’s parents were under the impression that he was a CIA agent.
PAUL REISER: That’s very Peter Falk.
CHRIS NEUMER: I thought to myself, I really wish I didn’t know that. In fact, I’d like to think that my dad had more capable things than this. But it is interesting to go back and learn things like that.
PAUL REISER: Would you like a cigar?
CHRIS NEUMER: No, maybe after it, on the way out when I feel like I’ve deserved it. Now, one of the things I found really intriguing about your association with this project was that you were the writer, actor, and producer, but mainly, because you were the writer/actor, because when I find them, I always find them to be very intriguing creatures, unique beasts. Because the writer/director has this idea in his head, and goes ahead and figures out how to plan and shoot it. But I know you’ve said you don’t want to direct, that you’re proactively doing everything you can not to direct, so I thought there must be some interesting scenes, or something like that where you’re on set, you’ve created something in your head, maybe the first image you had in ’84, and you have this way that you’re doing it, and maybe Ray’s on set, and he’s setting it up one way, and you’re going, "Man, this is not matching the way it is in my head." And I thought, this is a very interesting dichotomy, of you creating the material, and being there and thinking, maybe we can tweak it a little bit like that. Was there any sense that you ever wanted to kick a few scenes differently?
PAUL REISER: Acting wise, dramatically? No, as producer it was very different in the beginning and Raymond was very open about, "Listen, this is your thing."
CHRIS NEUMER: Oh, I’ve seen your business card, 800-pound gorilla.
PAUL REISER: Yeah it is. But in this particular case, it’s because it’s my family’s story. So I wasn’t going to suddenly wake up and say, "Can you put in an amusement park?" Having said that, there were a couple meetings I missed, and I didn’t see the location before we got there and I was like, "Whoa!" But you know that’s part of the reality of making movies, "Can we swing the angle this way so we get a little bit more?" I’d say there were two, maybe three instances like that —
CHRIS NEUMER: Now you say that, and I have to ask for just one, for an example.
PAUL REISER: Oh, the stadium for the baseball game. I always pictured a bigger ballpark, like a 7000-seat stadium. And Raymond fell in love with this ballpark that was about 400-seat, and there were houses in the background, and he thought it was so funny that there would be houses overlooking the stadium. And I said, yes it is funny, but it just looks like a park now. So I just thought, ok, it might not be minor league, it might just be the championship of this town, it does not make a difference. But by the time I’d got on it, that ship had sailed, we’d bought the location, and I thought, "Oh fuck, ok." And then I tried to put my hat on, take the producer hat off and play the scene. And that’s a big reason why I didn’t want to direct. I already spent years putting my gut into this, let me get someone else to collaborate, someone else to figure out the shots, and bring in some creative ideas, and he brought in terrific creative ideas, he’s a writer so he also had some very helpful tweaks to the script, and instructed, you know, "Put a scene after that." And I would say, "Gee, why would I do that, it’s perfect the way it is." And then he would push me and I would do it, and say, you’re absolutely right. So there were things like that, and I was happy and grateful to have him. I used to implore him, please, tell me, too much, too little, tell me as an actor? I can’t always tell how I’m coming across, you’re pushing too hard, you’re hitting the joke, it’s too lack of energy, too mean — whatever it is, whatever the color is that you want to adjust. So I was certainly happy to have another set of eyes.